Welcome to the fifth chapter in Road Trip to Publication, a series of interviews with authors at various stages in their careers. You can check out previous interviews here.
The fifth story features YA author Stephanie Kuehnert, a music lovin’ gal who writes just the kind of books I love to read. Girls with guitars are awesome. Spread the word! And no, I’m not biased at all. Stephanie’s debut novel, I WANNA BE YOUR JOEY RAMONE (MTV Books, July 2008), is about to hit stores, and she has worked very hard to get to this point. I received my copy last night and found it very difficult to put down (it was 3am when I finally gave in). Stephanie has that perfect blend of voice and visceral description that draws me in at page one. There is some gorgeous writing in this book! It’s a perfect example of grrl angst done right. I’ve been brought back to my days of combat boots and shows in stuffy warehouses. Please check out her rockin’ website!
Her fabulous agent, Caren Johnson Estesen of the Caren Johnson Literary Agency, has also sold Stephanie’s second YA book, BALLADS OF SUBURBIA. Congratulations to you both!
Synopsis (ganked from Stephanie’s website): A raw, edgy, emotional novel about growing up punk and living to tell.
The Clash. Social Distortion. Dead Kennedys. Patti Smith. The Ramones. Punk rock is in Emily Black’s blood. Her mother, Louisa, hit the road to follow the incendiary music scene when Emily was four months old and never came back.
Now Emily’s all grown up with a punk band of her own, determined to find the tune that will bring her mother home. Because if Louisa really is following the music, shouldn’t it lead her right back to Emily?
1. So, your debut novel, I WANNA BE YOUR JOEY RAMONE, is about to hit shelves. And you just sold a second book, BALLADS OF SUBURBIA. Congratulations! Those titles alone reflect your passion for music.
Some writers dream of their ideas, others let their characters dictate the plot, and some plan everything out via flash cards beforehand. How did you come up with the idea for I WANNA BE YOUR JOEY RAMONE?
I got my BA and MFA at Columbia College Chicago and the Fiction Writing Department there uses a really unique teaching method called the Story Workshop approach, where every time you go to class, you sit down and you do these exercises to get you seeing in your mind, then you tell what you are seeing orally and then you write it. One of the key coachings is “Go to a place that takes your attention.” So when I have a novel idea forming, I generally write the scenes that are taking my attention first. Sometimes this comes out in order, sometimes not. IWBYJR was not in order at all, BALLADS was. Then after I get a sense of the arc of the story and the characters, I outline and do flashcards and the whole bit. So I plunge, then I plot.
IWBYJR came from two different places. I wrote a short story with Emily as a character. She was nothing like the Emily of the book other than her personality and sense of humor (ie. in the short story she was in college, not in a band), but my friend really liked her. I was in a class with him and he was like, “Dude, you gotta write another Emily story.” So when we did the exercises in class that day, I wrote the key scene from what would become the first chapter of the book where Emily has the disappointing experiencing of losing her virginity to a wanna-be rock god. I wrote it mostly to amuse my friend, but then I really wanted to keep writing about Emily. Additionally, I had this other character Louisa, who I’d written about, another short story, and I couldn’t stop thinking about her either. I realized that even though I’d set her story in the present day, I could just as easily set it in the late sixties/early seventies, and she could be Emily’s missing mom. At that point, both Emily and Louisa became very insistent, so I dropped the other project I was working on (which would become BALLADS) and started working solely on IWBYJR.
What’s Emily’s role in this punk band? If you were to compare them to an existing band, who would they sound the most like?
Emily is the lead singer/guitarist. It’s kind of hard to compare them to an existing band because I imagine a really unique sound for the band, punk with both bluesy and poppy undertones. So my best comparison is combine the Distillers with the White Stripes and the Ramones and of course combine that with any noise the reader has in their head!
Based on your first chapter, I’m expecting a roller coaster ride as we follow Emily through her teen years. Did you (in a way) get to watch Emily grow up as you wrote? Did you have an idea of who she would become or did she surprise you along the way?
I knew one basic thing about Emily: that she would grow up to be a punk rock goddess. Her journey was full of surprises. I originally wanted to keep my first story about Emily so I wanted her to go to college. Yeah, that didn’t work out at all. But my whole writing things out of order technique really worked well to help me discover Emily. I found my major plot points that way and figured out how Emily would get there.
Now, this second book you just sold—BALLADS OF SUBURBIA. What’s that about?
I’m actually pretty awful at summarizing books. I finally nailed the elevator pitch for IWBYJR like a month ago and that’s because I had the description on the back of the book to work with! The one sentence summary for BALLADS is this: After years of feeling like an outcast in her suburban town, sixteen year-old Kara McNaughton finds her place among a group of punks, skaters, and other misfits who hang out at a local park, but as the teens try to cope with bad relationships and broken homes, life spirals out of control.
It’s kind of a classic coming of age story. Maybe a little darker. There’s a lot of kids with screwed up families and they cope by drinking too much and cutting themselves and doing heroin. But maybe if The Outsiders was set in the early 90s in the suburbs of Chicago, it would be like that. And everyone who knows me is going to think it’s autobiographical, but it’s not. There was a thinly-veiled autobiographical version that I wrote before IWBYJR, but it will never see the light of day.
Let’s talk about the road that got you to this wonderful place. I know you met your agent, Caren Johnson Estesen, in college. What made you decide to go the agent route and how many books did you write before contacting Caren?
I wrote the aforementioned thinly-veiled autobiography. I wrote it fast and furiously in my first year at Columbia (note, I didn’t start at Columbia till I was 21.) I took someone’s good advice and let it sit in a drawer for six months. In the meantime I started writing IWBYJR.
I was actually nowhere near thinking about agents when I met Caren. I was seriously focused on IWBYJR, but I was in the midst of a period of writer’s block, and I could have spent a lot more time writing the book if I wanted because it was my master’s thesis and you have seven years or something to complete that. Who knows how much I may have procrastinated! But every year Columbia has this amazing lit fest called Story Week Festival of Writers. They bring in authors and agents and editors and one of the perks of being a student there is that they select certain students to meet with certain people in the biz. I’d meet with an author before and a publisher from a small press. Both had given me feedback on my work, which was wonderful and that was all that I expected. But I got in the room with Caren and she was like, “I love this, I want this, when will you be done?”
Uhhhh…. Yeah, like I said, writer’s block… But I knew this was a huge opportunity so I told her September, which gave me about five months. I worked my ass off that summer. In the meantime, Caren left the agency she was at and started Firebrand (which she would later leave to start CJLA and I followed her everywhere and would follow her to hell and back, I love her so much). She had me do revisions, and then she signed me. Then I did more a little bit more revising and she started shopping.
On your blog, you’d mentioned that I WANNA BE YOUR JOEY RAMONE took a year to sell, and it was originally supposed to be an adult book. Many writers, like myself, aren’t good at waiting. How did you keep yourself sane while in limbo and what made you ultimately decide to market it as a YA novel?
I tried to focus on writing another book, BALLADS OF SUBURBIA. I vented a lot to friends. I made plans to go back to school for library science if things didn’t pan out because then I’d at least have a job that involved books and made me happy. (I still ponder the library thing for sure, may just do it anyway because I love libraries.)
Caren was the one who decided to pitch the book as a YA. Caren had a lot more faith in IWBYJR than me at many points. She really saw something in and it was a big personal mission of hers to sell it. I really lucked out because that is the most essential thing to have in an agent. She told me, “I exhausted the adult editors, but I want to pitch it as YA.” I said, “But the sex, the drugs, the swearing, the violence… I want to sell the book, but I don’t want to censor myself.” She said, “YA is edgier now. You won’t have to censor yourself. Just trust me.” *Shrugs* So I did. She sold it within a month. And I didn’t have to change much. I toned down the swearing because I tend to overdo it; I just have a pottymouth. There were some adult perspectives in there besides Emily’s mother and we cut those, which made it a better book. My editor changed nipple to breast in one place. That was about it.
What was your reaction the day you got THE CALL that your book had an offer. Who did you tell first?
Well, I actually got an email. Caren forwarded the offer to me and said “call me to talk when you can” because she knew I’d be at work. I didn’t actually believe it was real because we’d had an almost offer before but then it had to go to other people at editor’s office and it got shot down, so I thought this was like that. That the offer would still be contingent on some other people approving it. Still I got all shaky and asked my co-worker if I could use an empty private office because “I think my agent just sold my book.” Then I went to call Caren, and she confirmed it was an actual offer, up to me to accept. Of course I accepted it. Then she said, “Call your mom. You’re a published author.” So I called my mom and she was elated to say the least. Then I called my boyfriend and got voicemail, so I had to leave a message. Then I called the Fiction Writing Department at Columbia. All my friends still worked there, so I told one of them and she screamed and announced to everyone, “Stephanie sold her book!” Then my boyfriend was calling, so I rushed off the phone to talk to him.
Was the editorial letter more than you expected? Were there any scenes you cut, but loved? If so, care to share any details about one?
I had no idea what to expect. Caren told me not to freak out if it was fifteen pages or so, which it was, but that’s because my editor, Jen Heddle, is amazing. There was a like a page and a half letter where she discussed the larger aspects of what she wanted to see and the rest of the pages were line edits and a couple of places where she told me, I just wanted to tell you I loved this part.
But yes, I cut a lot of stuff. I added a lot of stuff, too, which was fun. But I cut a lot. Had to cut those extra adult POVs, and one of those included this beautiful scene between Louisa (Emily’s mother) and her best friend Molly when they were kids and Molly found out that her grandfather died. I think it showed a different side of both Molly and Louisa and my editor loved that scene too, but there just wasn’t room for it. One scene that I cut that I loved that my editor didn’t think was a necessary/love as much as me was a Ouija board scene where ten year-old Emily becomes convinced her mom is dead because a spirit on the Ouija board claims to be her. Yeah, there will be a “deleted scenes” section on my website eventually…
These days, every debut author is expected to do some self-promotion. Not only do you have an awesome website, but you’re integrating music with your tour—which is a great idea! I’m sure a lot of authors feel overwhelmed after selling their first book. Can you share a little bit about your process, like how much you’ve done vs. your publisher?
Basically many people told me that the main thing your publisher will do for you is send out review copies. So I pretty much set that as my expectation and built my own plans around it. I’m lucky to have lots of talented friends who are willing to help me. My webmistress, Jenny Hassler, being a key person and then Sheryl Johnston, a publicist friend, who has really helped me navigate the media and literary scene in Chicago. I’d be quite lost without Jenny and Sheryl. I’d also be lost without Caren. She sent me a ton of materials on promotion and she also sent me an outline for a publicity plan and said, “fill this out, we give this to the people at MTV Books.” So we used that to tell them where we wanted review copies sent and what our angle was. Caren also told me that it can’t hurt to ask for things. So I do ask for things. Sometimes they say yes, sometimes they say no.
But the other thing that has really helped me out is that I come from the punk scene. I come from the world of doing zines and putting on riot grrrl conventions and friends with indie bands and indie record labels. I come from the world of D.I.Y., “Do It Yourself.” I’m used to it. So I came up with ideas like having a street team, which has been awesome. I get to meet really cool people who are passionate about books. They plaster banners of my book all over the web. I send them prizes. It’s fun. I also go out and talk to people in the community. Book stores and other places. I set up weird gigs, like I’m doing a reading at my local record store next week. Caren told me, “Handle this like a band coming out with an album would. Do a ton of readings locally. Do open mic nights.” I did and then I decided I wanted to go on a big vacation to the West Coast to celebrate and I wanted to read there, too. This was against Caren’s advice because she wants me to save my money, but I want to have an adventure, so I’m having it, even if it is ill-advised. This is where the publisher came in handy. They didn’t pay for anything, but I told them where I was going and where I would like to read and they’ve gotten me all my first choice places, so that was wonderful!
Ultimately my advice would be, plan to do a lot yourself, but your publicist at your publisher is your friend (and hopefully they are as friendly as the lovely Erica at MTV Books), so don’t be afraid to ask for help. The worst they can do is say no.
I’d love to hear more about your idea of integrating music with a book tour. What cities will you hit this summer?
Well I did a reading with my friend’s band in Denver, which was really cool. But I’m only doing a musical thing in one city unfortunately. It just really took *a ton* of planning. But the resulting event is called ROCK ‘N’ READ, it takes place in Hollywood on July 13th (my birthday!), and you can find out all about it at www.rocknread.net. I really hope it works out well and I hope to do it in Chicago, too, if it does. I’m doing another reading in L.A. while I’m there. I’m doing a signing in Monterey, California, two events in San Francisco (one of which involves reading with musician/writers so that’s cool) and one reading in Seattle. Then of course I’m doing a ton of stuff in the Chicago area and I’m hitting the Wisconsin Humanities Festival in October. All my events are listed at www.stephaniekuehnert.com/gigs.html
July is getting awfully close. Have any plans for the day of your book release?
Agh, don’t remind me! I still have so much to do!!! But I do have a really nice release day planned. It involves spa type stuff in the morning, probably an afternoon of seeing if the book is in local stores, and then my best friend is a chef at this absolutely amazing, fancy-schmancy, Italian restaurant, so me and my dearest ones are going to eat there and drink champagne. That’s the fancy part of the celebration. Two days later I’m having a party at the dive bar I worked at. That’s gonna be the really fun part.
Did you have any input on the cover? What was your reaction the first time you saw it?
No, they came up with the cover all by themselves. I had some ideas and mentioned them. All the images I suggested were black and white so maybe they took that from it, but probably not. When I first saw it it was probably the biggest OMG moment since The Call. I couldn’t be more thrilled. The image sums up my main character so perfectly. Not to mention it totally looks like me when I was sixteen. And then the guitar picks? And the font? Everything about it is perfect. I really couldn’t have been luckier. I can tell you it was worth that agonizing year-long wait to end up where I did. With the most wonderful editor and as part of the amazing MTV Books line and with the perfect cover!
**Fun author factoids**
If you could join any band, who would you rock out with and what instrument would you play?
Well, if I could bring back dead people, then Nirvana. If I could reunite broken-up bands, then Sleater Kinney (we could sing the song “I Wanna Be Your Joey Ramone!”) or Hole or The Distillers. If I’m not allowed to do either than there is this punk band I just discovered, Civet. And I’d play the guitar– that is if I could magically learn to play it.
Name one thing that hasn’t changed about you since you were a teen. Come on, there’s always something.
There’s plenty of things actually. My favorite band hasn’t changed (Nirvana) or the guilty pleasure TV show I watch every day (One Life to Live) or my politics (feminist vegan) or even my best friend! The biggest difference is I’m not nearly as insecure as I was (most of the time, I have my moments) and I feel like I’ve found my place in the world (I never really felt like I fit anywhere in high school). I’m also much happier. But I still feel extremely close to my teenage self, which is probably why I write teenage characters!
You and Melissa Marr recently held an awesome contest, requesting suggestions for songs that ooze grrl power. Now, it’s your turn. Give me three grrl power songs to check out.
Ah, that was the contest where I discovered Civet. So I’m recommending them to everyone, www.myspace.com/civet but here are three bands I discovered on my own as a teen who totally got me through high school:
If anyone hasn’t heard Sleater-Kinney’s “I Wanna Be Your Joey Ramone,” they absolutely must. Here they are playing it at CBGBs: But Corin’s band before S-K, Heavens to Betsy was what I listened to most during my angriest years. It was hard to find anything by them, but I did find this low quality vid.
Then there is The Gits, “Another Shot of Whiskey” is my favorite, but I couldn’t find it on youtube, however there is a documentary about the band (the singer Mia Zapata was murdered in 1993) coming out this summer and at that website you can hear some music:
Oh man, this is so tough cause there are so many more, but I’ll have to go with my girl power anthem from when I was 13. Pretty on the Inside by Hole.
Bonus question: Is there anything else you were dying to answer? If so, go for it!
Okay, how about what was the best part about IWBYJR being sold as a YA?
The YA readers. Not only do I like being able to talk with teens in general, there is this amazing group of teen reviewers out there who blog on books and they are some of the coolest people on the planet. I feel honored to have met them and I advise all YA writers to start reading some of their blogs and get to know them!
Awesome! Thank you so much, Stephanie, for this very informative and thoughtful interview. It is obvious how much passion, time, and effort you’ve put into making this happen, and I am so excited for you! Those of you reading this have no excuse. Pre-Order I WANNA BE YOUR JOEY RAMONE now or pick it up at your favorite local or Indie bookstore when it comes out!
Also, please stop by and see her if she’s coming to a city near you. I know I’ll be seeing her in Seattle!